Category: Dating and Relationships
do you think it's wrong for inter-racial couples to date?
Why should it be wrong? People are people first regardles of race or anything else. Yes it may bring cultural difficulties, and problems with narrow minded family members, but if you care about a person enough to want to date, then get over the shit, and get on with your life. if you let narrow minded people dictate, then they win, and you are unhappy.
i see no problem with that!
fully agreed on blackbird comment
Ditto. It would be stupid to pretend the problems don't exist, but no, of course it's not wrong.
I don't think it's wrong at all, I agree with blackbird..we're people, and not extremely different because of race.
Of course it is alright to do. There are plenty of narrow-minded people out there who will disagree so I think one has to go into it with their eyes open; be prepared to face some controversy etc. If one is concerned about family members taking issue, well in most of those cases they do come around in time.
go for it, I've dated all races and consider my self truely equal opertunity
Just as it shouldn't be seen as wrong or odd or anything for a sighted person to date a blind person, it shouldn't be frowned upon for people of diferent races to date. The sad thing is that in both situations, one can and probably will run into problems. If the love is strong enough, it shouldn't matter. Just remember those that mind don't matter, and those that matter don't mind. I hope what I've said makes sence though I tend to talk in circles at times.
Meghan
where all the same color when u turn off the light.
if you love each other, that should be all that matters.
I agree with everyone on here thus far it really doesn't matter as long as you love each other there shouldn't be any problems with you dating.
i agree with what everyone else said.
Same here. I agree with everyone's posts on here to date. It shouldn't matter your age, sex, personal abilities or race, who you date, so long as you are both consenting and you're in love! You can't help who you fall in love with! Irrespective of other people's views. In order to be happy, at some point in your life, you're probably going to have to go against someone's beliefs or personal morals to follow your happiness... But if it feels right to you, then go with it! Hapiness and love are rare qualities which are sometimes hard to find together, so when you do, you have to say 'to hell with what anyone else thinks', and go after it hammer and tongs! Really, who are we to judge other people anyway?
Define race? Race has no genetic basis, and is a cultural construct, so this question is technically null and void, since depending on who you ask you may or may not be an inter ratial couple.
Oh for Christ's sake... does this guy have nothing better to do than trail through the boards and user profiles finding fault with everything?! Give it a rest blindguy! *yawn
I'm glad everyone feels the same, (except for blindguy). He has to be so technical, he probably thinks he's smart, but, well, you get the picture!
Anyway, I agree with the prior posts, and I hope 3every member of the zone does!
J.
I actually have a valid point, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand anything with more then 5 letters in it so it's all good.
Actually, race does have a genetic basis, as there are specific genes on specific chromosomes within people's genetic make-up that code for particular proteins which make up components of the skin and epithelia, which direct skin colour. So technically it is wrong to say that it has no genetic basis! As it would be like saying hair colour or eye colour has no genetic basis, or that being a male has no genetic basis. You probably would have a fair point if you said 'inter-cultural' doesn't have a genetic basis, as culture is an environmental factor, but race is definetely determined by genes!
A am definitely an equal opportiinity dater <grin>
If that's true find me the black jean or asian jean. I garantee you won't be able to find me any single or set of jeans that all black people share and no white people have. I'm much more inclined to believe my genetics professor who does this as a living then you who thinks they know more then they do.
I didn't realize that interracial dating was still an issue. Thought more people were worried about gay marriage these days than interracial dating. I must be way out of the loop which doesn't surprise me one bit.
yes. if you love each other, that should be all that matters. it should not be a question of races, it will be the question of coutural, age gap, and the difference of the living stile on every individual
I didn't say there was a particular gene that was the black gene or asian gene (note it is spelt gene not jean... I could quite easily find you a black jean or a pair of them, seeing as you like to be so predantic about things), I was merely implying that race is determined by genes and there is some degree of inheritance from parents! I was merely implying that a persons race is influenced by genetic factors, rather than environmental factors! I wasn't contradicting the teachings of your genetics professor, although I would suggest he teach you the cotrrect spelling of the word 'genes', instead of the clothes we wear, as it may be a little embarassing in the world of genetics!
The tests are all multiple choice so spelling doesn't count, but if you want to nit pick it's "correct" not cotrrect. Race is totally environmental, since if you put 5 people from Rwanda in a room and asked an american black or white to figure out who was a Hutus and who was a Tutsi chances are they couldn't do it, but most if not all natives of Rwanda could do this readily, since in that country those are sceen as different races. And I challange you to find me either a black Gene or Asian Gene and post it it in this topic.
look blindguy, all she is saying is that how can race be environmental, when two black people can't have a white baby? If race was environmental this would be possible, our genetics determine what we look like, and that includes our skin colour too. If you strongly believe that race is environmental, then what environmental factors do you think affect which race people belong too?
also, can i add that the two groups you werfered to in your post are known as subcultures, not different races, a race of people is determined by their skin colour.
Ummm wow! I've read all posts and I'm trying to formulate an appropriate response to this. It's really not an easy question to answer. Unfortunately, I was raised to feel that white people should date white people, and everyone should stick to their own race/color/culture, and that there should be no intermingling at all. That among other things was one of the many reasons why I moved out when I was 17. Now, as for what I believe...
I think that in a perfect world, if a couple can be truly happy, it shouldn't matter what color they are, what religion or sex they are. That, however, is in a perfect world which of course we do not live in. I think the answer to this question is that it is really an individual decision. I think that no matter the race, sex, or religion, someone, somewhere, will find fault with it. So I think it just depends on how strong their love is for one another, and if it is strong enough to withstand any kind of criticism. If it isn't, then the couple shouldn't be together anyhow. After all, everyone has differences, hair color; eye color; can they see or not see; age; what ever it may be. If the two people involved can't accept one another for who they are, and can't accept that some people will accept their relationship for what it is, and others won't, than it more than likely won't be a "forever thing".
If you ask those people I garantee you they would call them selves different races not cultures. If you ask someone from south Africa or America they would have different levels of what made someone "black" Also you can't tell what race someone is based on a sample of dna. As I said if someone can give me a single gene that makes someone black I'll admit i'm wrong but skin color is not determined by one gene, there is no single black or white alleal, ya it's spelled wrong but I don't give a damn.
Ah blindguy, your too much..
doctorlucy still waiting on you for the gene that all black people have and no white people have, let me know when you found it.
Blindguy, I agree with your point, and I haven't seen one person who can thoroughly challenge it. But moving on, here's my opinion. The reason why there's so much interracial prejudice is because of influence and what we as people let influence us. That should be pretty obvious to everyone. The problem with interracial dating doesn't necisarily lie with the people who are dating. It's with their families and friends. There are certain prominent areas of the country where you can go and still find that, just like in the days of Westside Story or Romeo and Juliet. And that to me is what's wrong. I'm Puerto Rican. I feel white, and some people have told me I look and/or ac white. But when I come home at the end of the day, I know that a very hispanic family is waiting for me. And I honestly feel that if I brought a black guy home, my parents may judge this guy more harshly. I think that such a guy would have to do more to prove to my parents that he is good enough for me. And I'm not saying it's wrong, it just is.
blind guy i agree there is no genitic coding that all black people or white or anyone else do have with in themselves its a pigment thing and btw black people have been known to have white babies albinism is what thats called
It seems, blindguy, that you have not yet acquired the ability of reading other people's posts properly, as I admited there wasn't a particular gene which determines a particular race, merely suggested that a variety of genetic factors determine race. And this is also what firetiger was trying to get across to you as well. Like, if there are no genetic factors involved, then how come a white couple have white children and not black or asian or chinese children?
I will quote from post 24 for you, in which you contridict your self. "I didn't say there was a particular gene that was the black gene or asian gene (note it is spelt gene not jean... I could quite easily find you a black
jean or a pair of them, seeing as you like to be so predantic about things), I was merely implying that race is determined by genes and there is some degree..." You say race is influinced by genes yet you say you can find me a pair of black genes. You also still have yet to define race which is kind of the entire premis of your argument. TO different cultures race is different and there for is not clearly defined as a genetic disorder like down syntdrom is. So until you can have the entire world agree on the race of each individual in the world you are saying that race which is not strictly defined has genetic influinces, but yet if we can't agree on what we are measuring and in what quantities that will be measured then we can't say how much genetic influince there is on that undefined quantity we are measuring. So until we have a measurement standard you can't say for certainty that race has a genetic influince because you can't measure any differences.
ouch, go get 'em bg ;) well done.
And your point is? You are still yet to confirm non-genetic factors which. And for me telling you I can find you a pair of black jeans. I was refering to your misspelling of the word gene. In post 21, you said I couldn't find you a pair of black j e a n s. Not g e n e s. To which I replied that I could! In terms of levis or another brand. You have completely mis interpreted my posts, because, for someone who claims to know an awful lot about genetics, you seem to be getting portions of DNA confused with items of clothing! Enough said!
First if the clothing comment is true you should have clairifyed it when you origionally made the comment, I believe you are trying to cover your screw up since you can't admit you are wrong. I never said I was an expert in genetics, or that I gave a damn about spelling, but the bottom line is you are wrong, and I will not rest until you either admit you are wrong or just give up. Second I have stated non genetic factors define race many times, basically that race is based on what an individual says it is, since depending on who you are depends on what race you assign others to. Lets use our friend from the zone EscenceUvFaith, I shall now quote from her earlier post. "I'm Puerto Rican. I feel white, and some people have told me I look and/or ac white." If race were a strictly defined quantity then she would not be able to look white. Since she can "look white" according to some it proves that there is no strict measurement since some people will say she looks white and others will say she doesn't. So as I've said before with out a strict measurement that we all agree on race it's self is invalid, so saying there is genetic factors influincing it is simply wrong, sincw we ccan't define what is being influinced in the first place.
Well, I will never admit that I'm wrong, because everything I have posted on this board about finding black j e a n s is true and correct! If you carefully re-read my posts, you will see that the only time I spelt the word jean j e a n, was in reference to your mis-spelling. Obviously my intellect and wit far superseedes you, as you apear to have no grasp of what I had been getting at! May I remind you blindguy, in your mis-spelling, you was the one that said I couldn't find a pair of black j e a n s, not g e n e s. To which I simply replied that I could. If I am wrong, then try ebay or google, or check the link http://racinggreen.co.uk/shop/product/products_id/108/referer/shopzilla.html
It would be acceptable if it were a simple mis-spelling such a g e a n or something, but by spelling it j e a n, you have confused fragments of DNA with items of clothing. You quoted that I couldn't find the black j e a n, as in an item of clothing, and I have conclusively proven that I have. So in the terms of your post (post 21), I am not wrong. And I won't admit I am wrong, when I clearly am correct! If you wish to re-phrase your post then I will be glad to comment on that, but as it stands, my point is made. I would love to see you telling people from my estate in Peckham that without a strict measurement that race is invalid as there is no measurement standards! I doubt you would be walking afterwards!
But irespective of how you measure race, you haven't answered that if race isn't genetic at all, then how come white or asian couples don't have black children? Surely this would be possible if there was no inheritance at all?
Irrespective of blinduy's ignorance, I would like to apologise to the-blind-princess as we have kinda gotten off the beaten track from your original topic.
Fine I'll give you the Jean argument, so I can get onto the more important argument. You say that people would beat me up if I told them race wasn't strictly measurable. That's nice, I also didn't see you respond to my quote from EscenceUvFaith could it be because you don't have a responce? As for two white people having an asian child they can. If you and your partner were to have a kid in asia and they were raised there, and lived there all there life technically wouldn't they be asian since they were from asia? If your answer is no, then we are all black, since we all origionated from africa. Also assuming that I am unintellegent based on spelling is rather retarted, since you arn't worth the time to make sure anything is gramatically correct, or correct english either. Now I'd like to see you respond to both the EscenceUvFaith and kid born in Asia points.
At least you conceded defeat with the jean argument! A definition of race from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race: A race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans. The most widely observed races are those based on skin color, facial features, ancestry, and genetics. Conceptions of race, as well as specific racial groupings, are often controversial due to their impact on social identity hence identity politics.
Therefore, the main standpoint of race, often as society in general sees is is skin colour. I think on most occasions if you asked someone what they thought race was, they would say 'skin colour'. Obviously this is general, as many people of the same skin colour consider themselves different races. In my previous posts, I was refering to race as the standard set, which many would view as skin colour, as to many, this is a clearly definable determination of race. Under this prefix then, how is it possible for a white couple to have a black child? I would argue, in reference to your asia comment, that I personally would feel that a kid born and brought up in Asia with white parents is white and not asian. Surely he would be of asian nationality, but as both his parents are of the same race, then I would still say he was white. But then who am I to judge? Society makes general conceptions about race, admittedly, but it is for the person and their family etc to ascertain what race they are. You can't escape the fact that race is very closely entertwined with culture, which is why in post 19 I said it probably would have been a fair arguement if it was said 'inter-cultural relationships'. And in answer to the EscenceUvFaith comment you made, irrespective of her feeling or looking or acting white, she herself said she goes home to a very hispanic family, therefore this is clearly her race! I'm sure that if people knew she was from hispanic parents, that they wouldn't necessarily define her race as white. And if we all originated from africa, and you believe us all to be black, then once again, it contradicts scientific processes, as different races have evolved irrespective of the origins of the human race as a whole. This whole argument has spiraled completely out of the context in which it was originally set, and escalated into a backwards and forwards movement of two opinions, of which we are both entitled, and as it would seem, neither of us are qualified enough to discredit the other.
Jared, it really depends what you define as race. I personally believe my race is defined by my blood not my place of birth. To sound a little flippant maybe, If we accept that jesus was born in a stable, does that make him a horse? I don't think so. When we used to discuss this at school, we would ask, if you were born in an orange box, would it make you an orange. of course not, so by design, race comes from blood, not birthplace, that gives us nationality not race.
I have dated many races and I don't care who they are. Its if they have a caring heart. I personal like dating mixed races and black race. However, this is my pref. I have dated others and it was alsome.
While it shouldn't matter who dates who, and what color they are, reality says different.
In a perfect world, race, creed, and color would not be an issue.
It is, a fact, that to be blind, is also also not to be able to see the color of one's skin.
However, my ippinion is, that if it works for that couple why not ?
i personally, would not date someone of african descent aka a black person, not because of the color of there skin, but for personal reasons of my own.
I may have caused a stir by posting this, but I'm entitled to my own oppinions.
I agree with people on this board. Race shouldn't matter.
yes, race doesn't matter in my book.
Well for all of those people who want to argue about something that is a tuchey subject, then i say yawl need to get over yawl's issue and move on. As for Christel Rain, Honey, people can be considered black without having any clame to Africa. If you want to say that kind of bull shit You better be right if you are not on the internet, because you are wrong for that and you know it. That is how war and other shit like that start, because of dumb mother fuckers like you!!!!!!!! Honey, you can take that statement and shove it up your ass.
I say that if two people dig each other, then go for it. I'm white and one of my favorite girls I dated was Japanese.
Well I've had the pleasure of being with both a black woman and a hispanic woman. And you know what? I enjoyed both relationships I was in. I certainly agree that rase is not an issue. When I met my now ex wife, for the first week I knew her, I had no idea that she was black. That's because she was raised by a white foster family, so therefore was not brought up with the ebonics accent. And even when I found out she was black, I still liked her and ended up dating and eventually marrying her. We're now divorced, but that had absolutely nothing to do with our racial differences. My family was very supportive of my decision.
My point is, if you both love each other, who cares about rase. After all, they're all pink on the inside. grin.
Cam
There is definitely no problem! I think that if there are problems with either of the families you should just ignore them. Besides, it's you who is going to get married with this person, not them!
You shouldn't judge someone based on the color of their skin, how tall they are, how thin or fat they are, their hair color, eye color, or anything else for that matter. You should only judge a person based on their personality.. how you click with them.. the person on the inside not the outside.
Yes, in an ideal world, that's how it'd go man.
Doctorlucy, I respect you very much for giving TRBM a run for his money. It's nice to know that there are actually intelligent people on the zone. Someone mentioned two black parents having a white child? That is impossible. Albinism is not the same as being white. A child with albinism, born of black parents will still have the facial features of most black people, the kinky curley hair and their genetic material, as to what genetic material determines skin color, it will be that of a black person, only with a bit of extra genetic material acting upon it to cause them to have albinism. Race is just a color. Age is just a number. It's the shape of the heart and the health of the soul that matters most.
Very eloqently said Heather. As I've stated several times on here, my husband is African-American and I am white. So, naturally, we have a son who is mixed race, but honestly he could easily pass as white. His skin is maybe a shade or two darker than mine, he has wavy blonde hair and brown eyes. His hair is soft and somewhat curly, but not like my husband's hair. If he were just hanging aroud other kids, nobody would really know that he has an African-American father, but if you saw him with his daddy and I together, you may assume that he is both our child, or maybe just my child, although people say our son has my husband's eyes and his and his smile. But, race is just a color and age is just a number, and screw anybody who thinks our son is at all in any way disadvantaged or short-changed or in any danger of ridicule or mockery. He is a precious child of God and we will raise him as such.
I agree with what Kev said.
No, I don't. I think It's all right. It's not the cultures that should matter, it's the ideas.
love is blind. and true love is totally blind. so that won't look at the color, religion, height or the weight. lol.
Raaj.